>The Manual for the Deluxe Scenario Builder says that Archers only get their >+1 fortified bonus on defense. Is this right? No, the manual is wrong. We ran 100 real battles with an archer and 7 other strength-4 units attacking 8 strength-4 defenders, and the archer won 73%. The archer is clearly conveying a bonus to the attacking side. The actual distribution of outcomes matched the WarBOT prediction almost exactly. >I just checked the elephant and it loses >it's -1 enemy stack when attacking a Dragon also. Not right. It's just that the dragon's +1 balances the elephant's -1, so the net bonus for the defender is 0. >I just noticed something interesting about the elephants and the cancel >non-hero creatures. It seems if the defending stack has an elephant WITH a >cancel non-hero, it will still give a -1 to the attacking stack. But if the >elephant does'nt have a cancel non-hero,(dragon,demon etc.), then his -1 >does'nt work??? The elephant's -1 is *always* applied (as is the archer's +1 fortified), but sometimes it just balances an enemy's +1. If you put an elephant and a cancel-non-hero together, then the cancel-non-hero cancels first, and *then* the elephant's -1 is tacked on, leaving the enemy stack with a -1 overall. In the first battle, the defending demon cancels the attacking devil/dragon, the defending archon cancels the attacking hero, and the elephant tacks on a -1. So the net bonus on the attackers is a -1, which is right: >Terrain: Enemy city 1 or 2 prod > >BONUS Total Fortify non hero -enemy city Cancel >AT 0 0 1 2 0 HN >DF 1 0 1 2 1 1 HN > > Entered Modified >Attack Units Strength Strength Winning % >*Hero 5 4 0.10756 >Devil 7 6 0.06749 >Dragon 7 6 0.02251 >Griffin 6 7 0.00461 >Pikeman 4 3 0.00000 > >Defense Units: >*Hero 5 6 0.89244 >Archon 8 9 0.80939 >Elephant 6 7 0.56216 >Demon 7 8 0.33940 >Griffin 6 9 0.10690 > >Defender win with 3 units remaining In the second example, the defenders have no demon, so the attackers get the benefit of their +1 non-hero stack bonus, which is then balanced by the -1 of the defending elephant, leaving the attackers at a net bonus of 0: >Terrain: Enemy city 1 or 2 prod > >BONUS Total Fortify non hero -enemy city Cancel >AT 1 0 1 2 0 HN >DF 1 0 1 2 1 1 H > > Entered Modified >Attack Units Strength Strength Winning % >*Hero 5 5 0.20540 >Devil 7 7 0.13334 >Dragon 7 7 0.05002 >Griffin 6 8 0.01138 >Pikeman 4 4 0.00002 > >Defense Units: >*Hero 5 6 0.79460 >Archon 8 9 0.68975 >Elephant 6 7 0.43464 >Griffin 6 9 0.25291 >Griffin 6 9 0.05393 > > >Defender win with 2 units remaining